Ganu-EGoM on SEZ n KG Gas to be reconstituted-20090628-215204

  • Ganu-EGoM on SEZ n KG Gas to be reconstituted-20090628-215204 

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  1. 1 Vivek N November 28, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Note: square brackets / question marks indicate things that I didn’t know or weren’t clear to me. Anyone who can supply answers or corrections, please do.

    Conversation between: Niira Radia and G. Ganapathy Subramaniam (Economic Times – designation unknown?)
    Date: 28 June 2009 (?)
    Ring tone: pal pal pal…

    NR: Hello?

    GGS: Hi!

    NR: How are you?

    GGS: Very fine. I know you must have been very busy today with the [ALR ?] launch etc.

    NR: Mmm, it has been a bit hectic, ya.

    GGS: Ya, ya… Accha, couple of things I wanted to tell you. One, you know that Empowered Group of Ministers on KG gas, it seems to be… is going to be reconstituted.

    NR: Mm.

    GGS: That I think Murli Deora and others, I mean the way… I don’t know if they are very comfortable with… the confidence in these people in handling that. So the Prime Minister wants against another committee to be set up with this Pranab Mukherjee as the head of the EGoM?

    NR: Mmmm.
    GGS: and some of these guys of course will be there. Of course I don’t know whether Chidambaram will be there or not, because Chidambaram is now in the home Ministry, so… Pranab Mukherjee himself is the Finance Minister. So he will be there; the minister in charge of fertilisers and power, likely to be there.

    NR: Azhagiri.

    GGS: Yah… Crazy.

    NR: And then…

    GGS: Sushilkumar Shinde…

    NR: Shinde… Mmm.

    GGS: So, of course, Murli Deora, Pranab Mukherjee. We don’t know if any others may… are coming.

    NR: And when did you, when are they saying this? When did you hear this?

    GGS: This is what we heard last week, because you know I had spoken to these people in the commerce Ministry. They also want one of the EGoMs reconstituted. The one on the SEZs. So where you know they want some changes, the rules that were done by the early GOMs, some of them, to be modified. So they were saying …

    NR: So [Anand Sharma?] will be on this, no, on this EGoM?

    GGS: On the SEZ EGoM he will be there, but I’m not sure about the gas one.

    NR: [unclear] Industries hai …

    GGS: Ya, possibly but it is not known. Because he’s not in town. He was travelling in Europe …

    NR: And I guess Law Minister will be there, Veerapa Moily…

    GGS: Law Minister, ya. Moily will be there. Moily will be there.

    NR: Veerapa… Veerapa… It’s Veerapa, no? P A?

    GGS: Ya, ya, ya. Veer*appa* Moily.

    NR: Veerappa Moily… Ok…

    GGS: I don’t know if he knows any damn thing about gas, but he’s law minister, probably they will bring him there, because of the court cases and all …

    NR: But not because of RIL- RNIL, no?

    GGS: No, no but otherwise there are other disputes as well. Anyway, NTPC also, there is a dispute.

    NR: That’s a legal issue again. Sub judice hogya. So anyway government … subject to government approval *to* [Hindi *to*], agreement *to*…

    GGS: That’s right. And then what the EGoM decided earlier, so much so much for power, so much for fertilisers etc, so now there are other issues, like Andhra Pradesh also like, they want some preference, you know to be given to some of their own units, I think they have made some headway in that also.

    NR: [sound of rapidly typing notes on a keyboard] Mmm…

    GGS: So, because of those things and then now because of the court case etc. So it will all happen all over again.

    NR: Mmm…

    GGS: And the other thing is that … I think on that … Manoj [Modi…?] hasn’t replied it seems to that… queries on the Haryana SEZ.

    NR: Oh, how strange. I told him to reply yesterday also …

    GGS: My reporter was saying that so far there is no reply, so I have sent him a reminder that you know please reply, otherwise we’ll have to sort of… cannot incorporate your comment and all. So but whatever has to be included in the official reaction, let him give, you know, no comment or whatever. But whatever needs to be incorporated into it, whatever will be useful, you let me know…?

    NR: But what’s the focus in your story? It’s quite a negative set of questions I saw.

    GGS: Hahn, that I will then… Whatever the reporter has sent, let it be there, na? I will later on go and change it.

    NR: Mmm-hmm.

    GGS: So what you can do is, whatever, I mean whatever are the stumbling blocks, what are the things that *needed* to be done to get it going you can tell me, you know that way?

    NR: Mmm-hmm. Okay. Okay I’ll have a word with him. I guess I think they may not have responded because it’s a bunch of negative questions, I think …

    GGS: Is it a very large questionnaire?

    NR: Yah, about five page– about five or six questions.

    GGS: Oh, I see. So let me see, the only way I thought it could be turned was, you know, by turning it on its head saying, these are the things which needs to be done, and if it is done so much employment will be generated, so much — whatever — economy will benefit etc, etc.

    NR: Mmm-hmm.

    GGS: That you can tell me informally, if you don’t want to say officially.

    NR: Okay. I did tell him to… this thing, you know? To brief you, but I don’t know why he’s not done it.

    GGS: Maybe he’s caught up with something else, whatever.

    NR: Okay, I’ll have a word with him, then I’ll just have a word with …

    GGS: Ya yah. And I read the court papers, that specific para that you mentioned. It says very clearly that wherever needed, I mean despite, after everything, if there are approvals required so then they have to… the onus is on them to go and get it. So they can’t say that government rules do not apply to them or at all or whatever, or that this is beyond that. Wherever there is a government regulation rule, it is there.

    NR: Mmm, hmm, mmm. but tell me one thing, you know that [unclear] is a basically stupid judge.

    GGS: Mmm.

    NR: So, let’s see, anyway, what happens. We’ll take a call.

    GGS: Ya yah, but, when she has given a judgement she has given it. So I think the only way to get it rectified is to go to the Supreme Court. Because I don’t think … there is no other way no, the government … or the government should in the meanwhile issue an ordinance or something and say now we are going with this. We are not bothered with what you have done.

    NR: Mmm, hmm, hmm. Correct.

    GGS: Then that ordinance has to be then followed up with a legislation.

    NR: Mmm, hmm, hmm. And I think that’s going to happen because everybody has gone up in arms, left front, everybody. Everybody knows that Anil is up to his usual tricks.

    GGS: Mmm hmm.

    NR: What are they doing there, no? Are they around, what are they doing?

    GGS: Who?

    NR: The other side.

    GGS: Ahhh … they are just… so they are just waiting, waiting, waiting. They got the Bombay lobby to push Ghulam Vanavati, so that is done. Like, earlier they were going and getting all kinds of reports assigned by the earlier (chuckles) [AGH?]. So they will try and do with this guy also, give convoluted, accusing kind of opening [case] and all that.

    NR: But I don’t know if the Prime Minister has any faith in him so, I’m not so …

    GGS: Yahya. All the same he has been appointed, no. And again it will all depend on what Murli Deora and Pranab Mukherjee say.

    NR: Mmm.

    GGS: More than anything else.

    NR: It doesn’t concern Ghulam Vanavati any longer.

    GGS: Okay.

    NR: It doesn’t concern him, I don’t think it … I don’t think that what Ghulam says matters here in the long run.

    GGS: Hmm. Then it is better if they take opinion from somebody else, maybe from Subramanian or whatever. From the Solicitor general then. Not necessary that they need to go to the [ ]

    NR: I don’t think they require — does anybody require an opinion? — I don’t know. I don’t know what the government is doing, so no idea.

    GGS: Let’s see. So … I think there’s a lot of time left, this is not going to be something that will happen in a day or two, this is going to take I think may be, six months or something?

    NR: Or whatever time. You know how long courts take, na?

    GGS: Yah ya yah.

    NR: If there is a Supreme Court. We don’t even know whether that’s going to happen, so …

    GGS: Yah ya yah. If it is and after that also, whatever the government view is. Will they go for … there are precedents in some cases. Even after Supreme Court judgement they have gone for ordinance and then later some kind of legislation. That is there and … but in the case of ITC, they did that. You know, Chidambaram, when he lost that cigarette case, he went and opted for an ordinance, but then later on, I think they just quietly dropped it.

    NR: Mmm. Mmm.

    GGS: I don’t know what compromise our man made.

    NR: Mm-hmm.

    GGS: [Deveshwar?] might have done something.

    NR: Uh-huh, okay, right. Oh yah, that’s right, I remember that. I remember that, yah.

    GGS: Yah.

    NR: Yah, yah. Oh well. So I’m still in Bombay. I’m back Wednesday, Thursday, probably.

    GGS: Sure, sure. Please …

    NR: Though I’m not sure yet.

    GGS: Please tell Manoj that … if he sends a mail and then if you are … you know, give me informal information and then I will jump into it and, you know, sort of, sort it out. And then now into the EGoMs, I’m separately tomorrow getting something done on all the EGoMs which are going to sort of be reconstituted. So which will include this as well. So while doing that if there are very brief points which we mentioned why this EGoM is critical, if it is going to be of some use, you tell me.

    NR: Okay. Will do.

    GGS: Some couple of points on, you know, saying why in this EGoM will have a very critical role to play, you know, in terms of defending government’s position etc.

    NR: Definitely. Will do.

    GGS: Okay.

    [end of phone call]


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