Spectrum talk-PBajpai-AT&T-20090708-105509

  • Spectrum talk-PBajpai-AT&T-20090708-105509 

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  1. 1 HMB December 8, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Marda hi, sorry to disturb you mardha, the government had long chat with chandoliya just now, I was for half an hour on the phone with him the thing is that you see the government stand is that we are not looking at the subodh kumar report
    Haa

    We are going to send it to TRAI and and that will take six months in the mean time whatever our existing policy is of subscriber base will continue. And therefore while they assures that we are in te queue and therefore Anil Ambani cannot get his 1.8 till we are given our 4.4 because we are effectively in the queue for those circles
    Yes correct
    And we have to be honored and therefore his 1.8 will come only after we get our 4.4
    No, no but, he is currently only asking 1.8 only for Mumbai for which he has made application before from seven months or so and DOT has kept it pending and they have told him that we are waiting for report and that this said judgment is awaited and all those things so he is pressing only for Mumbai where we have already received our spectrum
    And everybody also received spectrum in Mumbai right?
    Ya, Mumbai there is no pending applications unless somebody like Airtel has crossed the subscriber thing, so there is no pendency in Mumbai
    So, he will get Bombay,
    He will get , he will get Bombay , his application is only for this
    The moment it (not audible clearly)
    Ye, Bombay will take away the argument from DoT. That we are waiting for this we are waiting for that but, I think last week there was another spectrum matter where DoT said that we have not yet decided whether to refer it to TRAI because Arum Kumar said it will take six months time so, why are you asking adjournment only for one month so he said no we are still debating whether to send committee report to TRAI, the government has not taken a formal …..
    No this people has taken a decision only they have not sent it yet because I believe that secretary has been opposing that .

    But, yesterday I think Secretary told (name not understood) that minister has signed the file

    Chandole told me that it’s going to TRAI
    (Conversation overlap )
    Day before on Tuesday he signed the file for sending to TRAI including perpetual license concept also
    Right
    That also they are making a reference as a part of it that instead of 10 years 20 years why no we say that once it is given it is given, the spectrum or license once it is give unless canceled
    PMO might object to that
    Ha, ya correct
    PMO may not allow that actually because they have very different view from the minister on that one. The thing is that he says that they will unless we get our spectrums as far as Delhi is concerned they are quite comfortable that nobody will get spectrum unless we are first cleared. My only worry is that he will then go and get other legal opinion, which will say that we have not launched services , that will obliviously give us our arguments that ok then one that have not launched including (not understood) then give us their spectrum it can help us that argument but, my worry is that he may set a precedent doing this and move on.

    Ya, so but, this Arun kumar doesn’t want to do anything because
    He is retiring no?
    He is retiring in September so I mean in one of the function he that ok you can treat that I am already retired he doesn’t want to take any major hearings also before that. The problem is now this other person (name not clear ) he cant write judgment. So it is Arun Kumar who will have to write the judgment because earlier Dr. Sharma was doing that job for each and every matter Dr. Sharma was writing the judgment. Now there is nobody to write the judgment also. So, Arun Kumar is very reluctant to do anything.
    What do you think is gonna be the outcome today then?
    But, today I think the govt. would say that ok we are still thinking the govt. may ask for time
    No No they are not asking for time their response is that given that the matter is going to TRAI and it will take 4 to 6 months we will continue to maintain…
    We will continue with our policy that’s what they would say today.
    So the COI is the one who is gonna oppose this?
    The COI ahhh!!! The present policy will continue but, then the COI members also will keep on spectrums no. Unless the govt. say that we are not going to give spectrum
    COI is saying that we want to block at 4.4
    Block at 4.4 ok
    Ya , that’s their view.
    Ok and beyond that go for….
    Correct
    This is already decided matter so Arun Kumar would say that ok our judgment is very clear we don’t want to do any interpretations on that
    Hmmm hmmm
    That would be the easiest way for him to take a stand so what is ambiguous in the judgment tell us that
    Hmmm hmmm hmmm
    Because there is no ambiguity in the judgment because reliance was give excuse by this DoT they want to bring the certificate from (not understood the name) that they have no objection which Arun Kumar will not fall pray for that.
    Ya, I hope not. I don’t know you know (name) now this supreme court matter will take a call once Anil and I met minister we will need to take a call on how we approach it because they got an answer to both of our scenarios.
    Ya, exactly and you know another problem is this is at January 2008 situation we had lot of opportunities and we are trying to challenge it after 18 months and meanwhile the third party interest has been created the spectrum has been given that file says that the priority list also we were the last. We did not challenge that also so the govt. would say that what stopped you from challenging that time , you could have done that by filing even a separate petition how can you come to us after 18 months or 20 months.
    Right, because we are seeing that we are not been given spectrum we are seeing other operators who are not launching their services who has been given licenses and spectrum and we feel that this is unfair we were under the impression at that time that we would be given spectrum
    Then we will have to go to this (not understood the name) with fresh petition of what the first draft is already prepared. Because Supreme Court would say that this was not the point before (name not understood) so you cant bring before us any new facts and or new arguments that’s what they will tell us that this was challenge only to the dual technology
    Correct

    So you cant bring any other allocation points into that so our remedy is to go to TBSAT and file petition and say that we were no.2 and we should have been given and it doesn’t have any base to priority and all those things .

    Ya but, ministers told me that he is gonna oppose that
    Yaa but..
    Because SWAn is his personal interest he told me that . we have to be very.. that’s whay I don’t want to do it in hurry I think we got time and we should wait till we meet him and I know what he is going to say that this is something that I won’t allow you, you will get spectrum don’t worry So I am trying to see that how there is another strategy that we are going to work around and see what to do. By the way This AT&T they were going to do that’s got blocked.
    That got dropped ok
    It got blocked because Mukesh has objection on the……
    Yes and company like AT&T wont take risk of investment when there is .
    They approached me to talk o mukesh to see that he should not come in the way then they approached thru the embassy then they approach thru US embassy they talked to several people in the industry saying that please talk to Mukesh and tell him that he should not come in the way and all that and Anil will remain 26% and our view is why should we give him billions and so he will go and bribe more people.
    Ya correct because I think probable their non competence is expiring in 2010 so by that time they may also Mukesh may also launch something into telecom.
    No he is not coming into telecom
    Ok Internet related application I think
    He is not interested in telecom.
    He is doing something with Kishor Biyani in that company future group has invested and somebody from reliance Prakash Bajpai he is the front man. He was with Anil Reliance Infocom before five six months he was sacked from that company because he had already started that unit . it is Mumbai based unit .
    Ya but that is more for capital.
    Ok, where Kishor Biyani has invested some 65%
    Ok ok, I will double check that
    Those are Ex TATA Ex Infocom people I EX TTML before TATA took over Prakash Bajpai was CEO of Hughes telecom and then he went to reliance infocom and then he started this I think where some foreign fund has invested 1billion dollars there
    But, I think that hey are I know for sure that Mukesh is not interestd in coming back in telecom he just want to make sure that this guy doesn’t get his (not understood) that’s basically he is coming from. Lets see . So I will just let you know this is what chadoliya ( abrupt cut) we just want to make it sure that they just don’t from Mumbai slip into Delhi you know that’s my biggest worry.

    Because in Delhi there in no 4.4

    He will use the subscriber’s argument and will going to vanavati and vanavati will give some silly opinion and again we will be stuck.

    Vanavati he wants to remain active because AG doesn’t come for arguments.
    Hmmmh hmmm but, he was there
    He was there he opposed the thing like any other solicitor general he argues out.
    Hmm hmm but, isin’t that strange ?
    Yes, it is strange and judges may say that govt. is attaching so much importance to this matter .

    Ya Ya, I thin vanavati will get exposed if he does that too much.
    Ya , if he does that too much


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