Vir-his letter-MDA interview-20090620-120959

  • Vir-his letter-MDA interview-20090620-120959 

Discusses with Vir Sanghvi a fully scripted interview with MDA as he doesn’t want to do an extempore. VS points out how MDA has nothing to be embarrassed about unlike his brother ADA who has many skeletons in his closet.

Also discusse a future counterpoint article:

VS: ‘What kind of a story do you want? Can’t seem too slanted but it can get all the points out that you want’

Nerus has transcribed this in a comment below. Please crosscheck.

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1 Response to “Vir-his letter-MDA interview-20090620-120959”


  1. 1 Nerus December 7, 2010 at 6:27 am

    Phone rings
    Radia: Hi

    Sanghvi: Now I can talk … tell me.

    Radia: I just got on to this treadmill (pants).

    Sanghvi: Ho ho

    Radia: (laughs). On this battle, I need to, I’m trying to get Mukesh to come out and talk

    Sanghvi: yeah … (is cut off by Radia)

    Radia: You see, but the thing is, Vir …

    Sanghvi: Hmm

    Radia: We’ll have to … if he talks … We’ll have to carry it as is. In the sense that, you know he, I think they’re very conscious of every line, everything that goes out. Because its a battle, hain na, its a battle at the end of the day for us

    Sanghvi: Right … Right …

    Radia: And also, whether we bring it into print.

    Sanghvi: Right …

    Radia: That’s the other issue … Umm, I think the …

    Sanghvi: You see, Anil’s not … (not clear) … to give interviews because he’ll be asked about Amar Singh, some many things. So the advantage which Mukesh has is that he CAN talk, na? And there’s nothing for him to be embarassed about. There are so many skeletons in Anil’s closet that he doesn’t want to clarify … if he comes on, he says Amar Singh is my close friend he is fucked. If he comes on, he says, Oh no I have no relation with Amar Singh, Amar Singh will kill him. So I mean, there are many awkward things that Anil’s decided to avoid the media. Mukesh doesn’t have that problem.

    Radia: Haan Haan.

    Sanghvi: Mukesh can talk straight, can say things, you can rehearse, you can work out a script in advance, you can go exactly according to the script … Anil can’t do any of those things, na?

    Radia: But we can do that, no?

    Sanghvi: Yeah. No, but Mukesh has to be on board. He has to sort of realize that it has to be fully scripted.

    Radia: No, that’s what … I think that’s what he’s asking me.

    Sanghvi: This has to be fully scripted.

    Radia: What he’s saying is I don’t want anyting extempore

    Sanghvi: It has to be fully scripted, I have to come and do a run through with him before

    Radia: Hmm …

    Sanghvi: We have to rehearse it before the cameras come in.

    Radia: yeah … yeah…

    Sanghvi: Then its worth doing.

    Radia: correct … correct …

    Sanghvi: Otherwise there’s a lot at stake

    Radia: yeah, that’s right, yeah, that’s, that’s the … that’s, that’s one point. The other thing was, when Rohit … on this particular article of course was there like right now because Anil is going all out.

    Sanghvi: Okay.

    Radia: And we’re going to, we’re going to start talking … its not that we’re not going to start talking …

    Sanghvi: Okay

    Radia: But I think, the challenge that I’m facing is that I think we need to set the tone…

    Sanghvi: Okay

    Radia: … How what has happened as far as the order is concerned, is completely against national interest.

    Sanghvi: Okay

    Radia: you know, and even if you were to assume that they get gas, or they get coal or they get ore, iron ore, or whatever one gets … If you look at how Tatas have always gone into those areas and done something for the people … even before they have been able to extract anything out of it …

    Sanghvi: Right …

    Radia: Here, the culture of, you know if you setup a power plant in Shahpur, which Rohit will brief you … or he is setting up a power plant at Dadri … One would ask the question, have you actually even done anything for those people even though you’re taking their land from them?

    Sanghvi: Yeah …

    Radia: I can say today very, you know, with my hand on my heart … whether it is Kalinganagar where we’re fighting the Maoists, or whether it is Singur where we fought Mamta, We continue doing work, whether our plant came up or not … eventually

    Sanghvi: Right, right.

    Radia: you know, so that … when you’re saying …

    Sanghvi: So, what kind of story do you want? This will go at counterpoint, so it’ll be like, most most read. So it can’t seem too slanted, even though its an ideal opportunity to get all the points across.

    Radia: But basically the point is that, what has happened as far as the high court is concerned is a very painful thing for the country, because, this is a … this is a … what he’s done is against national interest.

    Sanghvi: Okay …

    Radia: I think that’s the underlying message.

    Sanghvi: Okay … yeah, that message we’ll do – that the allocation of resources, which are scarce natural resources in a poor country cannot be done in an arbitrary fashion to benefit few rich people.

    Radia: That’s right.

    Sanghvi: Yeah? So that message we’ll get across. So what other points do we need to make?

    Radia: I think, we need to say that, its a , its a lesson for the corporate world, that they need to think through … whenever they want to look at this … whether they seriously do give back to society.

    Sanghvi: I will link it to the election verdict … the fact that there has been so much NREGA, that Sonia is committed to including everybody … that it should be inclusive growth … that it should’t just benefit a few fatcats … it shouldn’t be cronyism … it shouldn’t be arbitrary … that how the message for this five years of Manmohan singh should be that you have to put an end to this kind of allocation of scarce resources on the basis of corruption and arbitrariness at the cost of the country, otherwise the country will not forigve you.

    Radia: Yeah, but Vir you have to keep in mind that … the fact that he’s been given the gas field by the government to operate, he has spent ten billion dollars on it.

    Sanghvi: Okay.

    Radia: Anil Ambani is getting the benefit without spending a cent on it.

    Sanghvi: make those points, no?

    Radia: Yeah

    Sanghvi: So I’ll make those points … the people, by, because the system is so corrupt and open to manipulation … by manipulating the system, by not paying anybody, you can get hands on resources. Therefore the only way, if Manmohan Singh hopes to survive, is to get a handle on the resources and have some kind of way of allocating them that is transparent, fair and perhaps done by him.

    Radia: But there you’ll be attacking Mukesh only no?

    Sanghvi: Why? Why? Explain that.

    Radia: Umm … you see, because resource has been allocated to Mukesh.

    Sanghvi: So what point do you want me to make?

    Radia: The point I’m making is that, here, the point is limited to the fact that you cannot have a high court deciding on this … you cannot have a tribunal deciding on this …

    Sanghvi: What about ministers? What about ministers?

    Radia: Even ministers …

    Sanghvi: Spectrum and coal has ministers, no?

    Radia: yeah, even ministers, you want to really look at … you know, maybe there was an EGOM that got set into looking at the pricing issue. A natural resource should be decided not by any of these arbitrary mechanisms … it has to be one for the country. And there has to be some sort of a formula that Manmohan Singh …

    Sanghvi: (cuts Radia off) … Yeah, yeah, that’s the basis you know … that there should be a formula by which resources will be allocated in a transparent, non-arbitrary sort of way. That has to be the message, na?

    Radia: And also if you’re going to court …

    Sanghvi: (cuts Radia off) … that if people want resources, they have to give back to society, they have to pay the government, they have to do corporate social responsibility, they have to care about the people who are going to be displaced, people who are going to lose big … you can’t just go ahead and rape the system.

    Radia: And but … but, you want to say that, you know, more importantly that here a family MOU has taken precedence over national interest … and what the judge has done … I mean you’ll have to attack the judge here, because, the judge has, what he’s done is that he’s given preference to an MOU … he’s held on to an MOU and said Ok, this has to be implemented. But he’s forgotten what’s good … therefore it raises a bigger constitutional issue where …

    Sanghvi: Which is?

    Radia: Which is, natural resources is really a constitutional issue. It has to do with the country and the nation.

    Sanghvi: Its not between two brothers and their wives.

    Radia: Its not. And therefore the judge’s interpretation of an MOU … cannot be the basis on this way how we can proceed on these sort of issues.

    Sanghvi: Yeah

    Radia: I mean, you’ll have to attack the fact that the judge has only gone into the MOU. His entire basing is … his entire judgement is on the basis of the MOU.

    Sanghvi: Yeah

    Radia: And therefore a judgement betweeen two family members cannot be how you decide the future.

    Sanghvi: Let just Rohit come … let me explain to him, then I’ll talk to you and tell you what line I’m taking when I understand (unclear)

    Radia: And you’ll do it for next Sunday is it?

    Sanghvi: No, no! Tomo (tape is abruptly cut off here)


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